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Quince is one of those things I’d seen referenced in historical literature, but had never encountered in person. Although Wikipedia tells me it’s eaten fairly regularly in some parts of Europe, and there’s absolutely nothing preventing it being grown in the U.S., you’re not going to find it at your average supermarket here.

I suspect that’s in part because you mostly can’t snack on it raw, the way you can with apples and pears and oranges and bananas and all the other things commonly found in the produce section. You either have to cook it, or you have to wait for it to blet — that is, to go overripe and sort of (but not exactly) rotten. The same is true of medlars, another fruit we’ve largely forgotten. Also some varieties of persimmons; I suspect the one time I tried to eat ripe persimmon I may have been eating the wrong kind, as I found it unpleasantly astringent. But those I’m seeing around more these days — though still not at the supermarket. Persimmon trees aren’t uncommon in northern California, so not only the farmers’ market but possibly one’s neighbors may have their fruit on offer.

But if waiting for fruit to sort of but not exactly rot isn’t your idea of an appetizing approach, there’s always cooking. Which is why quince has come into my life: one stall at our farmers’ market sells it, and last year my husband (who makes jam) ventured to make quince paste. It’s very strong-tasting stuff — but if you pair it with manchego cheese (itself quite strong-tasting), a strange alchemy happens and you wind up with something amazing.

All well and good. But this year he wound up with a few extra quinces, not quite enough to make another batch of paste. So instead he decided to make quince-and-apple pie for Thanksgiving. It’s quite nice! Quinces are related to apples anyway, and they combine well. Which is good when your husband decides he’s got too much quince for one pie, but enough apple to fill it out and make two pies.

. . . during the Thanksgiving when your sister-in-law already has a store-bought apple pie and a small cherry pie, and is making a pumpkin pie. O_O Five pies (well, four and a half) for nine people. Um.

There are, of course, other things one can do with quince. Like poach them in sugar water with some spices. One might possibly suggest to one’s husband that this would have been more sensible than making a second quince-and-apple pie. One might not quite buy one’s husband’s argument that you really want larger chunks of quince for that, and he’d already sliced it all thin, so there was nothing to be done but make a second pie.

But hey. There’s always next year. And maybe I’ll find some medlars for him to poach instead.

Date: 2019-11-30 06:54 pm (UTC)
angelofthenorth: Two puffins in love (Default)
From: [personal profile] angelofthenorth
OMG Quince! I love quince - my mum used to make:

Quince + Apple pie with cinnamon and clove
Quince Jelly (I think what you'd call quince paste)
Quince Wine
Poached Quince
Quince in sweet mincemeat :)

Date: 2019-11-30 07:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] angelofthenorth
Quince Jelly is done by cooking the quinces, then straining them through a jelly bag.

Quince wine is amazing.

Date: 2019-12-01 09:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] brooksmoses
I have had two very different things described as "quince paste" and "quince jelly". The quince paste I've had is from cooking whole quinces through the "apple butter" stage until you get to something nearly but not quite the consistency of almond paste, and the quince jelly I've had was the consistency and almost the flavor of honey -- not at all strong-tasting, and very good on a peanut-butter-and sandwich.

Date: 2019-11-30 07:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pameladean
I know what you meant by poaching medlars, but my first image was of your husband, or someone probably not actually like him, since we have not met, slipping into an orchard after dark with a bag over his shoulder.

P.

Date: 2019-11-30 08:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pameladean
Aw, thanks, that has increased my amusement, just having a description.

I know a lot of people who ask permission to pick fruit from people's property, especially things like crabapples that most people don't plan to harvest, but also perfectly good pears and apples that were planted by previous owners and that the current ones can't deal with for some reason. I know one owner of a pear tree was allergic to pears and delighted to have them taken away. Personally, I'd find it easier to sneak in in the dead of night than to knock on a stranger's door, but that is not really rational.

P.

Date: 2019-12-01 09:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] brooksmoses
That is a hilarious image, especially since I have met said husband, and I think [personal profile] swan_tower has failed to include in the description the expression of mischievous utter glee he would have on his face at the idea of poaching medlars like that.

[personal profile] tiger_spot used to (and may still; I don't know) volunteer for a local organization that goes around picking yard fruit that would otherwise go to waste, and donating it to places like the local day worker center. There's quite a lot of that around here, particularly citrus.

Date: 2019-11-30 07:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] yhlee
Huh, I've had (Korean) quince tea, which is "tea" the same way that citron tea is "tea," which is to say that it's basically marmalade in hot water. :p It's delicious, though. Anyway, I've seen that for sale at Asian supermarkets.

Date: 2019-11-30 07:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sovay
Quince is one of those things I’d seen referenced in historical literature, but had never encountered in person.

My parents have a quince tree in their backyard. They've never done anything with the fruit, mostly because it would require a level of maintenance that neither of them cares that much about, but it's there every year. The times we've cooked with quince, we've bought them from our local farmstand, which has the same climate but people who don't mind pruning and spraying.

I look forward to the medlar experiment next year!

Date: 2019-11-30 07:50 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Haruspex: Autumn War)
From: [personal profile] sovay
But we're still able to get a certain amount of usable fruit from it, especially for purposes like apple butter where you can readily cut out the bits that pests have gotten at.

That's a really nice thing to have access to.

(The quinces all seem to get eaten by wasps or birds or squirrels, and you know, if it makes them happy?)

Date: 2019-11-30 08:00 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Haruspex: Autumn War)
From: [personal profile] sovay
It's honestly probably a little troubling that we don't lose more fruit to wildlife.

I am surprised to hear the sour cherries don't suffer more from birds, and I have no suggestions whatsoever on the pith-eater except that if you ever find out what it is, I'd love to know. (I am a person who used to eat raw lemons like other citrus fruit until a dentist told me to stop for my teeth, but my feelings about the edibility of lemon zest mostly require baking.) How many fruit trees do you have?

Date: 2019-11-30 08:19 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Lord Peter Wimsey: passion)
From: [personal profile] sovay
We've got four

That's really cool.

It is roughly my height and in 2016 it produced approximately two dozen cherries; in 2019 it produced approximately a gallon. It is ambitious to grow up to be a ~real tree~.

Tell it I'm rooting for it!

Date: 2019-12-01 08:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] brooksmoses
When I was growing up, we had a sour-cherry tree that had definitely grown up to be a real tree. The trunk was about two feet in diameter, the spread was around 40 feet, and we had a treehouse in it. It produced uncountable gallons of cherries; we had plenty, the birds had plenty, the ground had more than plenty.

Eventually it got eaten up too badly by carpenter ants -- the trunk, not the cherries -- and fell over -- luckily not on anything, as far as I know (I was off in grad school at the time), but even so, it was rather a loss.

I was always sad that store-bought cherries were never the same as the ones from my childhood. And then about a year and a half ago I happened across a basket of fresh sour cherries at Milk Pail Market, and bought them, and had this epiphany of oh that's what that cherry tree was on top of the bliss of having those cherries for the first time in two decades.

Date: 2019-11-30 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] raven_cromwell
This post delights me with its synchronicity. I've recently become fascinated with forgotten foods, mostly thanks to this incredible twitter thread on how refugees are helping to revive ancient grains and other indigenous husbandry arts in Italy.

I, too, have heard vaguely of quince and always wondered what it tasted like. When you say strong, and related to apples: does that mean the taste is something close to a really excellent apple butter made with particularly tart apples? or am I off-base there.

That sounds, for the record, like an amazing pie selection. Your husband's lucky the quince and apple one was as nice as it was, or he'd've had a very cross household forced to eat the entirety of another pie they weren't keen on. ;)

Date: 2019-12-01 08:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] brooksmoses
To me, it's a little more intense than apples (kind of like a dried-apple flavor, perhaps?) with a touch of the astringency of banana inner-skin. They don't taste tart, particularly. I would say that in addition to the apple flavor they do have a faint hint of the same sort of floral note that parsnips do, but I suspect that opinion of parsnips may just be me.

Personally, I always eat a few slices raw when I'm cutting them up for cooking.

Oddly, when I was a kid and had only encountered them in books, I always thought they were a kind of citrus.
Edited Date: 2019-12-01 08:57 am (UTC)

Date: 2019-12-01 09:02 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] raven_cromwell
They sound absolutely delicious, honestly, but then I'm the black sheep of a deeply pedestrian food family who unqualifiedly adores ginger and oysters and anything Iranian, so I'm always on the hunt for new flavors. Thank you for the lovely description. <3333333

It's funny, cause also as a book geek who encountered them, I thought they were grapes! It'd be an interesting topic for a con bar, what we all thought quince were. :d

Date: 2019-12-01 09:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] brooksmoses
Oh, that would be an excellent topic!

Parsnips, now that I think of it, might be another thing to include on a parallel topic. I think I may have thought that they were a sort of greens.

Date: 2019-12-01 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] raven_cromwell
Right there with you in thinking they were greens; I think it had something to do with their similar sound to parsley, but also understanding they were more substantive than parsley's typical garnish purpose. So I decided they were like turnip greens, esp cause I'm from the Southern U.S. You can imagine my shock when I realized they were much closer to a carrot, even though that, too, isn't a perfect analogy.

And yeah, you could have a whole list of typically fantasy-utilized rl food--in a world where we're so accustomed to fairly bland, sliced cheese, esp as kids, I'd be willing to bet you good money a lot! of fantasy readers wouldn't understand how sharp those wheels of cheese Frodo and the others enjoy at the Prancing Pony actually are! ;) It'd be a grand ice breaker.

Date: 2019-12-01 01:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rushthatspeaks
I wish quinces were more readily available, because honestly nothing in the world smells quite as good as a poaching quince. They taste okay, too, but they make the entire house hauntingly amazing for days. If they tasted as good as they smell, they'd be available on every street corner.

Date: 2019-12-01 09:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] brooksmoses
Was the persimmon you ate acorn-shaped or filled-donut-shaped? That's generally the simplest description of how to distinguish: The acorn ones need to blet into delicious goo, and the donut ones are edible at apple texture.

Date: 2019-12-01 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jazzlet
I too love quince, I planted a tree in our last garden, and took a cutting to bring here which sadly didn't survive. Quince makes a beautiful tree, the leaves, flowers and form are all unusual, I find it extremely attractive at all times of the year.

Along with all of the other suggestions try roast quince, it's great with fatty meat like duck or pork, and a jolly good way to use up quite a few. Also baked quince for dessert with rich cream.

Date: 2019-12-01 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jazzlet
Oh and personally I'd give medlars a miss, they are a texturally a cross between dates aand when when peaches don't ripen properly and go fuzzy instead, not sweet, and with a disntctly off taste to my sense. My mother-in-law loved them and insisted on giving us medlar jam every year despite us telling her we didn't like it and wouldn't eat it, which probably turned me even more strongly against them.

I've never had any success with bletting quinces.

Date: 2019-12-02 09:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starlady
Wait, your grocery store doesn't stock both kinds of persimmons? I suppose I'm spoiled by Berkeley Bowl, which has both (including dried hoshigaki persimmons), as well as quince.

Maybe next year I will buy some of them and make a quince and apple pie.

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